The Gold thread

Didn't see the show due to not having a TV but I would be interested in knowing how Eddie Hobbs advised people to buy into gold - e.g. coins, bullion, etf's ...

ETFs mainly. TBH it was a general section on investing in commodities as he also mentioned many other metals... and uranium also.

You wonder though is this too late in the bull run for many as unless you're in gold and metals for the long haul (like some here) many of these commods may be see a correction in the short term if oil continues its slide or doesn't go back up for a while and stocks keep rising as a result, i.e. why wasn't Eddie advising all this a few years back instead of now when there is a chance the small investor could get burnt in metals in the short to medium term, although he did warn that they were volatile so be warned.
 

You wonder though is this too late in the bull run for many as unless you're in gold and metals for the long haul (like some here) many of these commods may be see a correction in the short term if oil continues its slide or doesn't go back up for a while and stocks keep rising as a result, i.e. why wasn't Eddie advising all this a few years back instead of now when there is a chance the small investor could get burnt in metals in the short to medium term.

Not that I don't think Eddie Hobbs gives crap advice - I've read that he suggests getting your mortgage in US dollars - but I'm accumulating gold at these prices and will continue to do so even with further falls.

If you're buying now and maybe hoping to cash in Dec then there is every chance you will get burnt. Much less so if your timeframe is 3 to 5 years.

The stage is looking set for the Fed to slash interest rates before December. Perhaps 2007 will deliver another inflated bubble and another debt driven escape for the Fed.
 
Not on-topic but don't want to start a new thread and as gold is an inflation hedge this is prob the best place to put it....

Does anyone here follow the musings over at iTulip.com, specifically their "Ka-Poom" theory of dis-inflation (Ka) followed by massive inflation (Poom).
 
Not that I don't think Eddie Hobbs gives crap advice - I've read that he suggests getting your mortgage in US dollars.

Didn't know you can do this. Is it really a practical option? Probably would be a very good option:

a) US dollar likely to depreciate
b) Could get a fixed for a full term of the mortagage at reasonable rates
 
Didn't know you can do this. Is it really a practical option? Probably would be a very good option:

a) US dollar likely to depreciate
b) Could get a fixed for a full term of the mortagage at reasonable rates

a) is in the short/medium term
b) is long-term

Seriously, its rubbish advice given in what was the current situation at the time of €1:$1.30 last year.

Possibly suitable for large corporations etc, put just plain daft for your average Irish property owner who can barely withstand a 1% interest rate rise from historically low levels, never mind the volatility of the currency markets over the course of 20+ years!
 
a) is in the short/medium term
b) is long-term

Seriously, its rubbish advice given in what was the current situation at the time of €1:$1.30 last year.

Possibly suitable for large corporations etc, put just plain daft for your average Irish property owner who can barely withstand a 1% interest rate rise from historically low levels, never mind the volatility of the currency markets over the course of 20+ years!

Agree that it is a significant risk and as such probably not suitable for the average punter, but nevertheless its a risk that could pay off very handsomely.

How long do you think the imbalances are likely to take to unwind? - probably many years with the dollar drifting down all that time. Once the imbalances finally unwind move the mortage back into Euros - You could easily knock 30-40 percent off the mortgage and have the safety of a long term fixed rate to boot
 
Agree that it is a significant risk and as such probably not suitable for the average punter, but nevertheless its a risk that could pay off very handsomely.

How long do you think the imbalances are likely to take to unwind? - probably many years with the dollar drifting down all that time. Once the imbalances finally unwind move the mortage back into Euros - You could easily knock 30-40 percent off the mortgage and have the safety of a long term fixed rate to boot

Fair enough - you obviously recognise that the risk/reward on this is pretty high. It could pay off, but you'd want to be pretty sophisticated financially to manage this scheme.

I doubt very many of Eddie's fans fall into this category tbh.
 
Is there absolutely nothing new under the sun? An article on Swifts campaign against debasement and inflation.

[broken link removed]
 
Id say the downward pressure on gold prices has run its course and that there is more upside than downside towards christmas. Maybe it the turn of share prices to suffer a large correction after the big upswing over the last month
 
Yesterday and today converted 3.4% of my portfolio to gold via the ETF 'GLD'. About 11% now in bullion (ETF and physical).

US$570 not a bad price IMHO.

Anyone else being helping themselves to some <US$600 gold???
Anyone found any interesting analysis to share????
 
Looking to buy some more physical gold. Gold shares seem attractively priced as well.

The see-saws in the rally are getting narrower and gold has struggled to get over the $600 mark. It could swing either way. I'm not expending all my money on it in case it breaks lower (say sub-$550) but it's hard to resist such an attractive price.

Long term these prices are going to look like daylight robbery. I can't remember the analyst but I do remember the quote:

"The price of gold will end the decade with three trailing zeroes. The big question is - what's the number in front going to be?"
 
The gold.ie website is an excellent website with interseting articles from all over the world. One I was just reading from George Soros saying he fears an energy crisis, increased violence and a global financial crisis, the catalyst for all this he says is america's disastrous war on terror.
 
Soros is probably right. The most indebted nation on Earth is in the process of taking on even more debt to fight an impossible war. Eventually somebody is going to shout stop (i.e. China's appetite for monstrous amounts of U.S. debt will wane).

As Biller Bonner puts it:

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Many empires have come and gone since man first stood on two legs. None, as far as we know, ever went in such an absurd way as this, floundering in a war against nobody, financed with money it doesn't have.
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Looking to buy some more physical gold. Gold shares seem attractively priced as well.

The see-saws in the rally are getting narrower and gold has struggled to get over the $600 mark. It could swing either way. I'm not expending all my money on it in case it breaks lower (say sub-$550) but it's hard to resist such an attractive price.

Long term these prices are going to look like daylight robbery. I can't remember the analyst but I do remember the quote:

"The price of gold will end the decade with three trailing zeroes. The big question is - what's the number in front going to be?"

Interesting thread this, but there are a few things I don't get. We're taking about gold priced in USD, and that a USD currency crisis could send gold prices to several thousand dollars an ounce. But if gold is a currency in itself, and there's no fundamental issue with the euro, wouldn't that mean that gold:eur would stay relatively stable, albeit prices would rise due to rising demand.

Are we looking at a situation whereby €600 gold today could be worth, say, $5000/€1000 in a few years time because the USD has tanked against gold and the euro together?
 
Are we looking at a situation whereby €600 gold today could be worth, say, $5000/€1000 in a few years time because the USD has tanked against gold and the euro together?

This issue has been covered earlier in the thread. I’ll summarise for you:

Gold is a ‘currency’, albeit a unique one. Personally, I count it (bullion anyway) as part of my range of cash/currency type holdings. To me a 20gram Credit Suisse bullion bar in my pocket is same as €300.

Yes, the big bet is a severe decline in the US$ but the bet really extends to all fiat currencies. People who fear for the purchasing power of their €, US$ or £ income stream are buying gold. People who see overvaluation in traditional assets [stores of wealth] are converting those assets to gold.

For people earning and living in Euros, yes you are betting on the situation you describe; gold rising in euros. However, my belief is that gold will rise against all fiat currencies. E.g. I doubt we’d see €0.20 to the US$, that would be absolute economic chaos unless it happened over many decades in a controlled fashion. Maybe we’ll see €0.50 in our lifetimes, but even at that there would be severe problems.

The bottom line is you always want to own assets that are rising in value vis a vis other assets. Residential property values just about everywhere are wildly exaggerated on virtually any basis and should, at minimum, slowly decline in value from here vis a vis other assets. Same can be said for stocks generally. Bonds, again generally, look like poor value since CB rates are going much higher [despite the fact that they’ll have less effect since its cost-push inflation and inflation expectations have already taken off.]

What’s left then is gold and prec metals, energy of all types incl renewables, base metals, and agricultural commodities, all of which are STILL historically cheap compared to the assets mentioned above.
 
Thanks w2dw, wasn't suggesting €0.20 to the dollar as such, just throwing out the numbers to illustrate the question. Much of what I've read has been American and therefore $-specific.

So I guess it comes down to the first of the two constants in investment psychology.... fear and greed.
 
So I guess it comes down to the first of the two constants in investment psychology.... fear and greed.

You could say that. But investing successfully takes the Grande Cajones of threading the line between the two extremes. Personally I'd like to think that I am invunerable to the primitive whims of fear and greed in my pursuit of VALUE :)
 
Why did Eddie Hobbs say gold was a good hedge fund against share prices?
From Jan 2000 to Jan 2002 gold prices fell as did shares, while since then it's more than doubled similiar to the ISEQ index.
Ok, gold didn't fall as much as most shares did during the dot com crash but still, going by his theory you'd expect it to have risen.
 
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