Delays in rolling out vaccine

I would think that Isreal is unique in that all the data it holds on its population.

I cannot think of any other countries that would have this data due to the nature of it.
Estonia, Canada, Denmark, Spain on regional levels have all digital health systems - Germany is as well rolling digital healthcare out....

e.g.:
Estonia:
Canada:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41746-020-00326-y
 
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Estonia, Canada, Denmark, Spain on regional levels have all digital health systems - Germany is as well rolling digital healthcare out....

e.g.:
Estonia:
Canada:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41746-020-00326-y
Simply having digital systems isn't the same as what Israel does, the data they have is available to every health professional.

How would the European countries overcome GDPR to be able to replicate the Israeli system?
 
Simply having digital systems isn't the same as what Israel does, the data they have is available to every health professional.

How would the European countries overcome GDPR to be able to replicate the Israeli system?
Did you check the Youtube video at all? Estonian health professionals have access to the data and users can revoke / limit that right.
Similiar in other EU countries

I understand that GDPR is used as a convenient way to have an excuse for inefficiency but for me it is not a valid one...

Denmark:
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Did you check the Youtube video at all? Estonian health professionals have access to the data and users can revoke / limit that right.
Similiar in other EU countries

I understand that GDPR is used as a convenient way to have an excuse for inefficiency but for me it is not a valid one...
Yes I did but again its not what Israel does, the video, only shows an authorised person can access the information ie the mother, and of course its a good system but how it compares to how Israel has used all its data is beyond my capabilities.

GDPR is an excuse for inefficiency?
 
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Yes I did but again its not what Israel does, the video, only shows an authorised person can access the information ie the mother, and of course its a good system but how it compares to how Israel has used all its data is beyond my capabilities.
Also health professionals can access the data in the Estonian and Danish examples. So what is the difference according to you with Israel then? You remain here vague.

Ireland uses partially Excel and other countries like Israel, Estonia, Canada, Denmark etc have proper databases with access to the data to all proper health professionals/authorized persons....

Estonias and Denmarks per capita administered Vaccine doses are as well better than Irelands
 
Also health professionals can access the data in the Estonian and Danish examples. So what is the difference according to you with Israel then? You remain here vague.

Ireland uses partially Excel and other countries like Israel, Estonia, Canada, Denmark etc have proper databases with access to the data to all proper health professionals/authorized persons....

Estonias and Denmarks per capita administered Vaccine doses are as well better than Irelands
Read the article I posted.
 
Yes I did but again its not what Israel does, the video, only shows an authorised person can access the information ie the mother, and of course its a good system but how it compares to how Israel has used all its data is beyond my capabilities.

GDPR is an excuse for inefficiency?
People at every level in the HSE, doctors, nurses, administrators and managers, have stymied attempt at reform over the years. PPARS is a good case in point. This, along with all of the other issues that structural inefficiency causes, is mainly their fault. The HSE is not some abstract concept, it is the 120,000 or so people who work in it.
 
Which I did - it does not differ
Read the article I posted.
Which I did
from the article:

"They know who has returned for a booster shot and who has opted out. Israel knows the ages, medical conditions and other demographic information of a heterogeneous population. And all this data is held by the Ministry of Health. "

That is not different to Estonia, Denmark or other Countries...
 
Also health professionals can access the data in the Estonian and Danish examples. So what is the difference according to you with Israel then? You remain here vague.

Ireland uses partially Excel and other countries like Israel, Estonia, Canada, Denmark etc have proper databases with access to the data to all proper health professionals/authorized persons....

Estonias and Denmarks per capita administered Vaccine doses are as well better than Irelands
Most of the hospitals in Ireland are privately owned but publicly funded. The people who work in them have refused to standardise their IT infrastructure. I had a brain scan a few years ago and the results were put on a CD and sent by taxi from one hospital to another.
 
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Which I did - it does not differ

Which I did
from the article:

"They know who has returned for a booster shot and who has opted out. Israel knows the ages, medical conditions and other demographic information of a heterogeneous population. And all this data is held by the Ministry of Health. "

That is not different to Estonia, Denmark or other Countries...
They also have a national identity card. We don't. We are decades behind.
 
Most of the hospitals in Ireland are privately owned but publicly funded. The people who work in them have refused to standardise their IT infrastructure. I have a brain scan a few years ago and the results were put on a CD and sent by taxi from one hospital to another.

Legislation could "easily" fix that if there would be a will.
 
They also have a national identity card. We don't. We are decades behind.
PPS numbers could do the trick if needed.

But I agree with the decades behind - I am travelling occasionally for business to London and a colleague there joked the last time: "What is the time difference between Dublin and London? - 20 years."
 
Legislation could £easily" fix that if there would be a will.
No it wouldn't. There would be strikes and pay increases and nothing would actually change. There's a reason we are amongst the highest per capita spenders on healthcare in the world but still have rubbish health services.
 
PPS numbers could do the trick if needed.

But I agree with the decades behind - I am travelling occasionally for business to London and a colleague there joked the last time: "What is the time difference between Dublin and London? - 20 years.
I spoke to a nurse a while ago who had worked in the NHS for 20 years before returning to Ireland. She said that her hospital was now talking about putting reporting systems and IT infrastructure in place which was already in place in England when she started working there. She said that the levels of accountability for nurses and doctors here were just about nonexistent.
 
Most of the hospitals in Ireland are privately owned but publicly funded. The people who work in them have refused to standardise their IT infrastructure. I have a brain scan a few years ago and the results were put on a CD and sent by taxi from one hospital to another.
I'm not arguing that our system is anywhere near good, like you when I was sick I had 4 hospital numbers as I had treatment in four hospitals.

BTW I was only trying to give some insight into why Israel has now rolled out vaccines to 20% of its population.
 
No it wouldn't. There would be strikes and pay increases and nothing would actually change. There's a reason we are amongst the highest per capita spenders on healthcare in the world but still have rubbish health services.

Again a matter political will or the lack of it. I would have imagined that the crisis here would be used to reform the health system - as the roll out of the vaccine and the higher numbers in hospitals show all the inefficiencies and problems in the system (although they were apparent before already).
"Never let a good crisis go to waste" - but leadership is missing in action.

In other countries people like Holohan would have been forced to leave after the CervicalCheck Cancer scandal. But he is still around... :rolleyes:

Actually in regards to the Covid-19 Vaccine roll out I wonder how much vaccine is wasted at the end of the day in regards to doses not used up and then spoiling.
I am considering to make a FOI request on that if the number is not around in the public yet.
 
I'm not arguing that our system is anywhere near good, like you when I was sick I had 4 hospital numbers as I had treatment in four hospitals.

BTW I was only trying to give some insight into why Israel has now rolled out vaccines to 20% of its population.
Absolutely. I made the point earlier in this thread that Israel has a massive military infrastructure which can be used for this task and a national identity card to track people. It is ridiculous to compare us to them.
 
Again a matter political will or the lack of it. I would have imagined that the crisis here would be used to reform the health system - as the roll out of the vaccine and the higher numbers in hospitals show all the inefficiencies and problems in the system (although they were apparent before already).
"Never let a good crisis go to waste" - but leadership is missing in action.
The front line heroes would be on the Public Sector Broadcaster moaning about how awful it all is etc and the populists in the opposition and in the Government parties would all jump on the bandwagon. At the end of the day the Public sector Unions are stronger than the government.
 
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