Trumps Tulsa rally.
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Even if the violence was orchestrated by Trump supporters masquerading as Antifa or BLM.
Trump is getting desperate with his poll ratings plummeting and being able to blame his opponents for any violence would suit him perfectly. It’s straight out of the dictators playbook.
Trump is getting desperate with his poll ratings plummeting and being able to blame his opponents for any violence would suit him perfectly. It’s straight out of the dictators playbook.
I watched about 5 mins of it, had to turn it off. It was stomach-churning listening to someone debase the office of President of US to the extent that he does.
On reflection however I wonder which is worse, Trump, his supporters, or the media hyper-bole that actually feeds him and his base the oxygen he needs. The latest episode is "Ramp-gate", and it was this part that I was listening to that made me turn off listening to anymore. It was a like classroom slagging match. However this morning there are plenty of headlines trolling, in return, Trumps explanation of the walk on the ramp. So given the high profile of this ramp-walk/slip issue, I decided to look at it myself.
Here it is, if you haven't seen it
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So I ask myself, if I was a newsroom editor, what is it about that walk down a ramp that could possibly generate a media circus? There is nothing. It is to me obvious, a man in his seventies, head down, eyes on his footsteps, receiving some assistance from his general to walk down a ramp. As soon as he is off the ramp, no assistance required. It is clear to me, that perhaps the ramp was a bit slippy. Certainly that was Trumps explanation, and wearing leather sole shoes, quite plausible.
Instead, a media circus is generated which feeds into Trumps fake news narrative.
Its all very sad, the US is an absolute circus that from my perspective is a long-time out of control before Trump. He is just a symptom of the overall malaise infesting the US.
On reflection however I wonder which is worse, Trump, his supporters, or the media hyper-bole that actually feeds him and his base the oxygen he needs. The latest episode is "Ramp-gate", and it was this part that I was listening to that made me turn off listening to anymore. It was a like classroom slagging match. However this morning there are plenty of headlines trolling, in return, Trumps explanation of the walk on the ramp. So given the high profile of this ramp-walk/slip issue, I decided to look at it myself.
Here it is, if you haven't seen it
Trump appears to steady himself walking down West Point ramp
Donald Trump tweeted Sunday about a bizarre incident following his West Point graduation speech, where the U.S. President waddled as he slowly walked down a ...
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So I ask myself, if I was a newsroom editor, what is it about that walk down a ramp that could possibly generate a media circus? There is nothing. It is to me obvious, a man in his seventies, head down, eyes on his footsteps, receiving some assistance from his general to walk down a ramp. As soon as he is off the ramp, no assistance required. It is clear to me, that perhaps the ramp was a bit slippy. Certainly that was Trumps explanation, and wearing leather sole shoes, quite plausible.
Instead, a media circus is generated which feeds into Trumps fake news narrative.
Its all very sad, the US is an absolute circus that from my perspective is a long-time out of control before Trump. He is just a symptom of the overall malaise infesting the US.
Sophrosyne
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I think the story today was from the Washington Post:
“Amid surging coronavirus infections nationwide, President Trump said at his campaign rally in Tulsa on Saturday night that he told officials to administer fewer coronavirus tests to keep case numbers down.
After claiming that the United States has tested 25 million people, Trump said, “When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases. So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please!’ ”
A White House official later told The Washington Post that Trump was joking.
Eight states on Saturday reported their highest single-day case counts since the pandemic began, and daily new infections nationwide exceeded 30,000 on both Friday and Saturday. The country has not recorded daily totals that high in more than seven weeks.”
“Amid surging coronavirus infections nationwide, President Trump said at his campaign rally in Tulsa on Saturday night that he told officials to administer fewer coronavirus tests to keep case numbers down.
After claiming that the United States has tested 25 million people, Trump said, “When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases. So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please!’ ”
A White House official later told The Washington Post that Trump was joking.
Eight states on Saturday reported their highest single-day case counts since the pandemic began, and daily new infections nationwide exceeded 30,000 on both Friday and Saturday. The country has not recorded daily totals that high in more than seven weeks.”
So Trump was joking about doing less testing. He also claimed to be joking about injecting disinfectant. I didn’t see anyone laughing on either occasion. He clearly wouldn’t make it as a comedian.........but then again he really is a joke. Perhaps we can hope that Trumpism has finally peaked and based even on Fox News polls he is now 12% behind Biden. And the attendance in Tulsa was much (bigly) less than anticipated.
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He looked a bit under the weather arriving back at the White House, I thought. For a man that doesn't drink 
Foreign interference in legitimate election process in a democratic country?
Nothing 'clever' about it.
Disliking the policies, abhoring the decision to hold a rally at such a time in such a place, doesn't take away from the noxious element.
We should all be very concerned.
Based on the reports of the numbers on Tik-Tok and other platforms; I don't believe we can dismiss it in that way.
Having said that, I'm not convinced this was the primary reason for the empty seats.
But neither should we be praising the activity and / or believing it to be harmless.
Tik-Tok and Kpop didn't cause the empty seats. It was a "first come fist served" event rather than allocated seating. Only about 2k "civilians" turned up - that's the real story
The only potential effect the social media users might have done was raise the expectations within the Trump team. But they didn't keep people out.
It also wasn't "foreign interference". To be registered, you had to have a US mobile number and have it confirmed with a text code.
The only potential effect the social media users might have done was raise the expectations within the Trump team. But they didn't keep people out.
It also wasn't "foreign interference". To be registered, you had to have a US mobile number and have it confirmed with a text code.
But that is the whole point of interference, to sow disinformation; it is not praiseworthy.
Faking numbers etc., can be done, I wouldn't assume the ticketing system is in anyway foolproof.
The local fire department, as reported in Washington Post put the estimate at 6,200 people. Where did you get 2k from?
Faking numbers etc., can be done, I wouldn't assume the ticketing system is in anyway foolproof.
The local fire department, as reported in Washington Post put the estimate at 6,200 people. Where did you get 2k from?
I'm confused, who were the foreign actors interfering?
The 6,200 was a total count of those in the premises - included security, organising team and Trump team (usually a lot of the people behind the speaker are part of the organising team).
No I'm suggesting that nobody missed the event because of social media antics.
Doesn't really matter whether it was 2k or 6k real attendees - it was a disaster either way. But if you want one breakdown of the numbers from a local analyst there were 986 Trump campaign staff, 532 Whitehouse / Trump communications, 183 plainclothes security inside the venue and 2,837 paid attendees (they had advertised for paid attendees beforehand).
Is that completely accurate or off by a few hundred either way - who knows
In the interest of accuracy, or at least as accurate as we can be under the circumstances
"Andrew Little, the department's public information officer, told The Hill that a fire marshal recorded the tally [6,200] at around 7:30 p.m., noting that the figure applied to scanned tickets from the event. The number did not account for members of the media, campaign staff and those in box suites."
thehill.com
I agree that the social media activity sounds like a good story for the press; but I also don't believe that it's worthy of praise.
"Andrew Little, the department's public information officer, told The Hill that a fire marshal recorded the tally [6,200] at around 7:30 p.m., noting that the figure applied to scanned tickets from the event. The number did not account for members of the media, campaign staff and those in box suites."
Tulsa Fire Department says Trump rally attendance was about 6,200
Fewer than 6,200 people attended President Trump’s campaign rally at the BOK Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on Saturday night, well below the arena’s capacity of roughly 19,000, according t…
thehill.com
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What sort of crazy world are we living in where close to half of an election rally event are paid to attend said event. Is this (ads for attendees to be paid to attend) common in other countries - does it happen here?