Government to ban oil and gas exploration

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I think our tds are spending too much time hanging out in hipster bars when they are coming up with proposals like this. Fair enough some of them genuinely believe in banning it . It would be ok if they were banning fracking but all oil and gas exploration, come on. Most Irish people are driving around now in big petrol guzzling suvs, cars are one and half times bigger and heavier than they were 20 years ago. It's hypocrisy of the highest order and then there is the fact that we have also banned nuclear power, but we still buy it from UK. Are there any grown ups left in charge of the country
 
If they are going to ban oil and gas exploration, then they should shutdown all fossil fuel energy providers in the country... the last person leaving can turn off the lights.
Pathetic virtue signalling nonsense.
 
It might be useful to actually read about what happened rather than headlines. The opposition parties passed a vote on it, the Government did not.
 
In fairness, the concept is to move away from fossil fuel energy sources and to invest in renewable energy sources. To the best of my knowledge the technology has been developed to harness renewable energies. Why wait? All the indicators are that future global trade deals will have significant onus on the use of renewables over fossil fuel sources.

Why not take the lead for a change?
 
TheBigShort said:
In fairness, the concept is to move away from fossil fuel energy sources and to invest in renewable energy sources. To the best of my knowledge the technology has been developed to harness renewable energies. Why wait? All the indicators are that future global trade deals will have significant onus on the use of renewables over fossil fuel sources.

Why not take the lead for a change?
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Because the very people who think it is a good Idea are the last people who are prepared to put there hand in there pocket to do anything about it in Ireland,
 
RETIRED2017 said:
Because the very people who think it is a good Idea are the last people who are prepared to put there hand in there pocket to do anything about it in Ireland,
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That actually doesn't mean anything. I think its a good idea, and I have a hand in my pocket right now o_O
 
TheBigShort said:
In fairness, the concept is to move away from fossil fuel energy sources and to invest in renewable energy sources. To the best of my knowledge the technology has been developed to harness renewable energies. Why wait? All the indicators are that future global trade deals will have significant onus on the use of renewables over fossil fuel sources.
Why not take the lead for a change?
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Because most of our energy currently comes from fossiel fuels, and a large part of that is imported.
There's no way renewables will be able to meet our needs in the short to medium term, so why turn our backs on a valuable and potentially essential resource?

Every politician who voted for this should be asked which energy company they are with for their domestic supply.
 
dereko1969 said:
It might be useful to actually read about what happened rather than headlines. The opposition parties passed a vote on it, the Government did not.
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There are more opposition TDs than government ones though... if the Dail passes the vote the government may ultimately have no choice but to pass the legislation in accordance with the vote.
 
odyssey06 said:
Because most of our energy currently comes from fossiel fuels, and a large part of that is imported.
There's no way renewables will be able to meet our needs in the short to medium term, so why turn our backs on a valuable and potentially essential resource?
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Yes, we are all aware of where our fossil fuels come from.

But perhaps we are not all aware of the current global, and internationally agreed accord, to move our economies away from fossil fuel energy sources?

There is no question of, in this proposed bill, to stop using fossil fuels. It is simply going to ban the issuance of new licenses to drill offshore. There is no question of our current energy supplies running out any time soon.
The bill could however, give the impetus to those entrepreneurs who are inclined to do so, to consider investing in renewable technologies for future markets.

odyssey06 said:
Every politician who voted for this should be asked which energy company they are with for their domestic supply.
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That's glib. This is not something that any individual can change or take responsibility just by themselves. It needs intervention at all levels of society, from household waste, to industrial waste to national policy.
 
TheBigShort said:
There is no question of, in this proposed bill, to stop using fossil fuels. It is simply going to ban the issuance of new licenses to drill offshore. There is no question of our current energy supplies running out any time soon.
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So that is the point of the bill?
No Irish investors are looking for oil off the Irish coast as the water is too deep and the deposits are, so far, too small.
We need oil for lots of uses from heart valves to condoms. Reducing the amount we burn for electricity and transport is what matters. Banning people from finding more of it is pointless.

If people are genuinely interested in reducing our dependence on fossil fuels for energy generation then they need to embrace modern nuclear power.
 
TheBigShort said:
But perhaps we are not all aware of the current global, and internationally agreed accord, to move our economies away from fossil fuel energy sources?There is no question of, in this proposed bill, to stop using fossil fuels. It is simply going to ban the issuance of new licenses to drill offshore. There is no question of our current energy supplies running out any time soon.
The bill could however, give the impetus to those entrepreneurs who are inclined to do so, to consider investing in renewable technologies for future markets.
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How? If there's no question of our current energy supplies running out any time soon... why would this act alone give any impetus to renewable investment?
Your statements are mutually contradictory.

Either we foresee a future need for fossiel fuels, albeit at a lower level than current, or we don't.

To me it's ivory tower nonsense, like the way we won't dirty our hands with nuclear fuel here, but are happy to take nuclear sourced energy from the UK.
 
odyssey06 said:
To me it's ivory tower nonsense, like the way we won't dirty our hands with nuclear fuel here, but are happy to take nuclear sourced energy from the UK.
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Maybe we could change Article 8 of the constitution to ban Nuclear Power in Ireland?
 
So perhaps to elaborate and clarify.

I'm not wholly familiar will the bill itself. A cursory search of details of the bill, shows it does not actually ban offshore drilling. Instead it requires the minister to take into account the level of carbon emissions Ireland is emitting at the time of application of the license.
If it is over our agreed limits, then no license can be issued. If it is not then a license can be granted.

Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
 
TheBigShort said:
So perhaps to elaborate and clarify.

I'm not wholly familiar will the bill itself. A cursory search of details of the bill, shows it does not actually ban offshore drilling. Instead it requires the minister to take into account the level of carbon emissions Ireland is emitting at the time of application of the license.
If it is over our agreed limits, then no license can be issued. If it is not then a license can be granted.

Doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
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so cow farts should decide whether we drill for oil?
That does sound unreasonable to me.
 
Purple said:
so cow farts should decide whether we drill for oil?
That does sound unreasonable to me.
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:D That's funny!

Actually there are technologies being developed to help reduce the level of carbon emissions from cow farts. I would assume, that if successful, then similar type legislation could be applied to the agriculture sector.

The key point is, are there alternative energy sources, or oil based products, that could viably reproduce or replace the current source?

I'm no expert on this, but there is tons of material supporting the view that renewable energies and alternative sources for oil based products can be utilized. In turn, reducing carbon emissions.
So if its possible, then why wait? Why not get on with it?
 
TheBigShort said:
:D That's funny!

Actually there are technologies being developed to help reduce the level of carbon emissions from cow farts. I would assume, that if successful, then similar type legislation could be applied to the agriculture sector.
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True; kangaroos eat grass but don't emit anything like the same level of C02 because of an enzyme in their stomach. There is work being done on trying to introduce the same enzyme into cows.

TheBigShort said:
The key point is, are there alternative energy sources, or oil based products, that could viably reproduce or replace the current source?

I'm no expert on this, but there is tons of material supporting the view that renewable energies and alternative sources for oil based products can be utilized. In turn, reducing carbon emissions.
So if its possible, then why wait? Why not get on with it?
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I agree. I've linked to Small Modular Reactors above.
What I don't see is the link between looking for more and better form of energy which don't rely on hydrocarbons and banning drilling for oil and gas.
 
Purple said:
What I don't see is the link between looking for more and better form of energy which don't rely on hydrocarbons and banning drilling for oil and gas.
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As I understand it. The burning of gas and oil releases carbon emissions into the atmosphere. If its not sourced, it cant be burnt.
 
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