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I have a food business. It's relatively new although I have a lot of experience in restaurants etc. I serve really good food with locally sourced seasonal ingredients and organic produce where available and cost effective.

The best advice I ever got was from my sister who works for a very large Irish food manufacturer. It is as follows:

"People like:
Ham Sandwiches
Vanilla Ice Cream
Strawberry Yoghurt

They prefer what they know."

I serve a lot of good stuff but people order predominantly the same familiar dishes from the menu and I've adapted to suit. My popular dishes outsell my more modern ones by 8 -1.

Whaddyiz think?

A.
 
Give us a few examples of what you think should sell but doesn't, then we can give some feedback.
 
Hi Vanilla,

Prior to the horse meat controversy, home made burgers outsold everything by miles. Also fish and chips, chicken wings and steaks. Nothing wrong with any of the above and the quality of these items is great. If I do something that people would not be familiar with (not foie gras or veal or something someone might have an ethical issue with - more like beef carpaccio / roast pheasant / rabbit terrine / smoked venison / ) it sells but not in anything like the quantities of the more standard fare. I'm not complaining, merely observing that at the end of the day based on volume - the Irish consumer is not very adventurous.
 
If I was running a food business and posting on this site I'd edit my profile to show my location. I know you can't advertise but you could say where you are...
 
I'm not complaining, merely observing that at the end of the day based on volume - the Irish consumer is not very adventurous.


This is true.

I have been on a few stags - steaks always very popular.

In bigger cities, there are "alternative" restaurants, e.g. Spanish food, tapas, etc. But traditional menu still popular.


In France, Spain, etc., I will order even if I'm not sure what things are.

But my friends need to know an exact translation of the foreign menu - I call them fussy, picky.
 
Being adventurous about food is related to finances too, though.

Can people generally afford to try something new, knowing that if they don't like it they will have to buy an alternative?

BTW beef carpaccio/ roast pheasant etc sound good to me!
 
If I do something that people would not be familiar with (not foie gras or veal or something someone might have an ethical issue with - more like beef carpaccio / roast pheasant / rabbit terrine / smoked venison / ) it sells but not in anything like the quantities of the more standard fare. I'm not complaining, merely observing that at the end of the day based on volume - the Irish consumer is not very adventurous.
I agree with this completely. I often heard this and discarded it as a mere generalisation but since I've lived abroad (across many countries) with other Irish people it really is an unfortunate reality in my opinion. Meals out tend to be gauged on where sells ‘normal’ food.
Even with Steak – I cringe and near shake with rage when Irish people receive their steak, cooked to medium as requested, and send it back with the usual “That’s not fully cooked”. The side dish of chips never gets sent back funnily enough. Apparently Steak Tartare is just minced beef like you get from the butchers, not to be entertained.

The will to explore other cultures culinary dishes seem to range only to pizza and sweet and sour chicken from the local ‘Chinese’. A pasta dish means boiling the bejesus out of the pasta until soggy, add 1-2 jars of dolmio etc. + mince and serve. Interchange between spaghetti, the ‘shell’ one and the ‘twirly’ pasta for variety. Lasagna to be made in bulk, frozen and eaten piece-meal over the course of 8 weeks after being incinerated in the microwave. If cheese is used; cheddar – the reddest cheapest block of saturated rubber will do. Indian food is just described as curry. French food = frogs legs and Germans just eat Sausages.

Vegetables must be boiled to a near pulp and thus devoid of real taste. Think baby food style. Don’t dare touch anything mammy did not cook at home. No more than 5-8 vegetable varieties are required.

Potatoes - Boiled. Mashed. Add copious amounts of butter and salt. They taste “too plain” otherwise. If it’s a Sunday, add roast potatoes, drowned in lumpy instant gravy to taste. Do not offer any other condiments. I've heard chives referred to as ‘grass’, sour cream was thought to be spray on dessert style cream until tasted.

Soup – it comes from a packet. It’s thin and the vegetables are minuscule flashes of red and green in the mustard coloured water. Do not trust the coarse gloop that has been offered, the ‘homemade’ label is just a trick to fool you didn't you know. The vegetables floating there-in are more than likely left over’s, sure why would they waste them in soup otherwise.

Chicken – Breast only, leave skin on. Wait for the inevitable “There are bones in this chicken piece!” If serving wings etc. be sure they are immersed in BBQ or similar MSG filled toxic waste for a few days before cooking.

Sausages – do not dare tamper with the age old mix of 15%-30% actual pork and the rest unknown fillers. Those that endeavor to add spices/fruits/vegetables are to be classed as ‘weird’. Celebrate with much fanfare when mammy posts over the following: Denny/galtee etc. rashers, sausages and pudding.

Stew – Traditional Irish stew was made with lamb and poor cuts of it at that. Just because your mother made it with cubed steak meat doesn’t make it traditional. It also requires vegetables in it.

Sushi – EUGHHH it’s just RAW fish! Smoked Salmon is acceptable as it was brought out at Christmas. It wasn’t eaten much though.

Seafood – Following from above; fish arrives foil packaged a la ‘Donegal catch’ battered or bread crumbed. White coloured filling devoid of texture and taste. To find bones means this is an inferior product. Tuna steak is not a recognized term. Steak is beef and tuna comes from John West can don’t you know. Tuna is only to be used when mixed with sweet corn in advance of being mashed in to a baguette. If it has a ‘fish smell’ run, it’s going to kill you. Shell fish etc. are more than likely going to kill you due to the smell.

Caviar – just fish eggs. What’s the point?

Cheese – White cheddar or red cheddar. Easy singles are the perfect sandwich filling – sure they’re ready to go! Everything else smells gone off; that one looks funny, that one that has herbs/berries in it is not to be trusted. Ham goes with cheese. Nothing else- toasting is a delicacy. Mozzarella cheese is acceptable on pizza (within certain parameters- see below).

Pizza – There are only three pizzas that need to exist. Margherita / pepperoni or the one with all the meat on it. The more oil that runs off the pizza the juicier it is – Yes this was how someone described it. Remove red/green pepper as they could cause instant death.

Olive Oil – just fancy frying oil. What’s wrong with vegetable oil? When olive oil is served with balsamic vinegar accompanying a bread basket; promptly scoff at this and request butter. When butter arrives apply in chunks without waiting for it to soften. If a complimentary bread basket is served, go through it like a rabid dog and request another. Never pass an opportunity for free food.

Bread – this comes from a pack in the form of sliced pan or as a roll in varying sizes from a “Cuisine De France” packet, cooked to perfection in the oven of the Deli in the local petrol station. Flavoured breads were probably going off soon so they needed to liven them up to get rid of them e.g. Bruschetta.

Rabbit – for petting, not to be eaten.

Pheasant – too posh. People might think you’ve got notions about yourself.

Pigeon – To be seen at train stations. Not to be eaten.

Venison – Akin to eating bambi/Rudolf. You are devouring the very definition of innocence. Why would you do such a thing?

The meal shall be judged on how full you are after. If it leaves you with a dose of ‘meat sweats’ and the need to barrel roll yourself out of you chair, then it gets 10/10. The flavours experienced are not really brought in to it as you wouldn’t have eaten all that if it didn’t taste good. Dessert = Ice-cream. Fruit or cheese platters are a sneaky way of getting rid of leftovers again.

Being adventurous about food is related to finances too, though. Can people generally afford to try something new, knowing that if they don't like it they will have to buy an alternative?
True but even when something different is offered as a sample or a “try some of mine”, Irish people play it safe!
 
. . . and the classic:- "Can I have some red sauce?" The words "tomato" or "please" if added take from the ambience . . .
 
Venison – Akin to eating bambi/Rudolf. You are devouring the very definition of innocence. Why would you do such a thing?

Oh sweet This post will be deleted if not edited immediately, that's exactly what my GF says! I have never tried it, but I really want to. Just figure out how to sneak it past her.

Oh and then she won't touch duck, because they look so beautiful swimming in ponds etc. To me, they're damn tasty and I'll eat 'em all!
 
Oh sweet This post will be deleted if not edited immediately, that's exactly what my GF says! I have never tried it, but I really want to. Just figure out how to sneak it past her.

Venison Stew. If she gets a hint of the meat tasting different, pass it off as taste of the vegetables etc. in the mix!
 
If a complimentary bread basket is served, go through it like a rabid dog and request another. Never pass an opportunity for free food.


Hi Bullbars, are you applying for the gig of food ambassador with Bord Bia/Failte Ireland ;)

Re the above, guilty as charged - but sure you havent eaten in days to get the full enjoyment out of a daycent restaurant.

Re portions - heard a story of a guy telling a lady that such a restaurant wasnt great, you'd still be hungry coming out of there. To which she replied, "You just have to decide in advance, are you "dining" or are you "going for a feed".

I think a lot of Irish people are "going for a feed", that explains much of the phonomemena detailed by Bullbars.

One thing that gets me is that 'herself', despite being obsessed with cookery shows & books and being somewhat of a foodie (though that word is cringeable), nevertheless isnt shy with lorrying the YR sauce onto nearly anything OR, cardinal sin in my book, adding something artificial (bisto/oxo etc) into what was going to otherwise be a perfectly fine healthy natural meal and thereby 'cheapening' the taste. I laugh when I see yer man Jean Pierre with his stir-in gloop cube - if thats the best you can do mate I wont be shelling out for your grub.
 
Hi Bullbars, are you applying for the gig of food ambassador with Bord Bia/Failte Ireland ;)
No.....or maybe...Could I just work at Dublin airport, questioning people as to their destinations and informing them of where the most convenient McDonalds outlets will be, you know because they don't trust the local stuff.

Re the above, guilty as charged - but sure you havent eaten in days to get the full enjoyment out of a daycent restaurant.
There are varying degrees here, for example if your food is taking a while or there are a large number at the table and there simply wasn't enough to go around, but some treat this as a free for all and are eating for the sake of getting it free.

Re portions - heard a story of a guy telling a lady that such a restaurant wasnt great, you'd still be hungry coming out of there. To which she replied, "You just have to decide in advance, are you "dining" or are you "going for a feed".
I think a lot of Irish people are "going for a feed", that explains much of the phonomemena detailed by Bullbars.

I know what you mean, there are times when food can be presented in such minuscule quantities that border on pretentious and just not enough but there is a difference between enjoying the food and gluttony. Irish people have difficulties differentiating between the two.

One thing that gets me is that 'herself', despite being obsessed with cookery shows & books and being somewhat of a foodie (though that word is cringeable), nevertheless isnt shy with lorrying the YR sauce onto nearly anything OR, cardinal sin in my book, adding something artificial (bisto/oxo etc) into what was going to otherwise be a perfectly fine healthy natural meal and thereby 'cheapening' the taste. I laugh when I see yer man Jean Pierre with his stir-in gloop cube - if thats the best you can do mate I wont be shelling out for your grub.
Yeah as Leper added; Irish people seem intent on murdering food with sauce. I've had this argument with some (Many :eek: ) people; Ribs tend to be the usual example. They say the love ribs but it the sauce not the rib meat itself. I've seen some of the worst cuts of rib meat devoured without issue yet the perfectly cut and cooked piece of steak being rejected because "pink means it's not fully cooked"

To add to my previous post (Rant?) We seem unable to comprehend that asking the restaurant to parcel up left overs is not something to be ashamed off. Every morsel must be consumed there and then. If you are full, you force it down you regardless. Irish people seem to think the restaurant is gaining from your loss somehow, it's bewildering.
 
Jaysus Bullbars! :D I think you needed to get that off your chest. Can't disagree with much of your post- except fresh fish shouldnt smell.
 
Eat it the day after you make it, it's always nicer the next day.

Does anyone remember a comment in a book about the family goulash that had been going for decades? Just top it up every day. I have no idea what the book was about.
 
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