Incitement charge for those inciting people not to pay the household charge?

username123 said:
Are TDs exempt from this charge?

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I've heard that they're not. What is exempt is residential properties owned, by office, by a Government Minister. That is different to residential properties owned personally.

I suppose it doesn't make sense for a Government department to pay the HC for such properties; there's no net benefit for the State.
 
TarfHead said:
I've heard that they're not. What is exempt is residential properties owned, by office, by a Government Minister. That is different to residential properties owned personally.

I suppose it doesn't make sense for a Government department to pay the HC for such properties; there's no net benefit for the State.
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Plenty of examples of transactions taking place where there is no net benefit to the State yet the transaction still has to take place, especially in the VAT sphere of taxation
 
So if I don't pay - because some TD's say i shouldn't, then where are these same people going to be when I rack up extra charges as a result? Are they going to pay the penalties for me?
 
I thought this was an interesting point made by Leo Varadkar:

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/varadkar-people-have-responsibility-to-obey-the-law-544219.html

"But people also do have a responsibility to obey the law - and you can't break the law one day and then expect the law to be able to protect you the next day.

"You can't refuse to pay your taxes one day, and then expect to be able to draw on other people's taxes when you need to avail of services," he added.
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On the other hand ,this is what the unions are telling us:

It looks like the campaign against paying the household charge is being furthered by the unions:

The Civil and Public Service Union (CPSU) and the Dublin Council of Trade Unions are also opposing the charge.
Des Derwin from the Dublin Council of Trade Unions admits his organisation is asking its members to defy the law.
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"It's always been a tradition… that (the breaking of) certain laws and civil disobedience have had their place so it's in that tradition," he said.

"And part of this is that we are against the household and water charge," he added
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Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/...st-household-charge-544204.html#ixzz1pfVZPMgo
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ninsaga said:
So if I don't pay - because some TD's say i shouldn't
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I can not think of any area of my life where I would be guided by the advice of Joe Higgins, Clare Daly, Thomas Pringle, Mick Wallace, Richard Boyd-Barrett, etc.
 
I can see it now:

Member of the Public: "Hello Gardaí?, I would like to report a burglary.
Garda: "What is your address and PPSN?"
MOP gives details.
Garda "It appears you have not paid your household charge, therefore we are unable to help you!".
 
I repeat:"You can't refuse to pay your taxes one day, and then expect to be able to draw on other people's taxes when you need to avail of services,"( Leo V).

So others pay the tax, that some others wont pay,yet somehow they get the same services as the rest of us..dont think so..some of us are fed up picking up the tab..
 
thedaras said:
some of us are fed up picking up the tab..
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Agreed.
It seems that taxpayers (income tax) are the ones selected by default to cover everything.
The rest are "the most vulnerable in society" and shouldn't expect to have to contribute anything. Shame on those who even suggest it. For shame !! :rolleyes:
 
"It's always been a tradition… that (the breaking of) certain laws and civil disobedience have had their place so it's in that tradition," he said.
"It's always been a tradition… that (the breaking of) certain laws and civil disobedience have had their place so it's in that tradition," he said.

"And part of this is that we are against the household and water charge," he added
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The 'tradition' of not paying taxes is one which started when we were under British rule. Irish people, who did not regard themselves as British, refused to pay taxes to the British Crown. In this context, do we take it that these Union heads do not regard themselves as Irish?

Though, when you think about it, isnt it the dream of all socialists to live in a world wide socialist utopia where nationalities dont exist? :)
 
ajapale said:
Can anyone point out the regluation/law/practice in Ireland which would allow those encouraging non payment of the HC (precursor property tax) to be charged with "Incitement"?
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The only lead I can give is this;

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0315/household.html
He told a Sinn Féin TD Jonathan O'Brien that he was inciting people not to pay the charge and therefore to break the law.
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So as far as I can see there is no specific law which covers not paying the household charge,but rather an incitement to break the law..hope that clears it up.
 
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thedaras said:
So as far as I can see there is no specific law which covers not paying the household charge,but rather an incitement to break the law..hope that clears it up.
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Clear as mud. I read the same quote (correctly ;)) to mean the exact opposite to your understanding. The only incitement reference I can find in the Irish Statute Book regards incitement to hatred.
 
So do you think that those who are encouraging people to break the law,will get away with it?
Or is it correct that if I encouraged others to break a law,which I felt was unfair,that I should get away with it?
 
Time said:
Yes.
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Protesting is a form of civil disobedience. That's not against the law.
One person's civil disobedience is another's criminality.

If I disagree with the law about theft and encourage others to break into houses am I in the clear?
 
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