Incitement charge for those inciting people not to pay the household charge?

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As Clare Daly and other TDs are continuing to tell people to boycott the household charge,is there any chance that an incitement charge could be brought about?

My mother just phoned me to say she heard Daly on radio a few minutes ago and the more Daly says about not paying the more she is inclined not to pay,because she thinks that as Daly is telling people to boycott the charge,and is a TD , mother is an OAP and believes that a TD wouldn't get her into trouble.,that as Daly said ,they wont bring people to court as there are too many involved..Is that incitement?
 
For someone from Kildare Daly has one of the strongest Dublin accents around

She has become more Dub then the Dubs themselves
 
I prefer the straw man and ad hominem approach to this TD. But for me, when you claim a full TD's salary and you claim €20K a year for travelling to and from Swords to Merrion Street, you lose the right to speak for, represent or claim to associate with the "down trodden" and "most vulnerable."

I'd buy the latest Springsteen album if I wanted to listen to the most vulnerable having their misery romanticised and condescended to by someone who lost touch with them a long time ago all in the name of their ego.
 
Can a TD stand again for the Dail if they have a criminal conviction?
Will TD's who don't pay this be refused a tax clearance cert thus ruling them out for running next time?

From Kildare...classic. I always thought she was more Dublin than Molly Malone herself. Only a country like this could produce socialists like Rich Boy Barret, Clare Daly, Paul Murphy, Ruairi Quinn (brother of Lochlann Quinn of Glen Diplex fame), Eamon Gilmore (who's wife made a small fortune selling land to a school).....you'd wonder were we wrong to ever kick the brits out!
 
Latrade said:
I prefer the straw man and ad hominem approach to this TD. But for me, when you claim a full TD's salary and you claim €20K a year for travelling to and from Swords to Merrion Street, you lose the right to speak for, represent or claim to associate with the "down trodden" and "most vulnerable."

I'd buy the latest Springsteen album if I wanted to listen to the most vulnerable having their misery romanticised and condescended to by someone who lost touch with them a long time ago all in the name of their ego.
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That's very unfair to Springsteen.
 
Purple said:
That's very unfair to Springsteen.
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You're right, I take it back. He cuts the sleeves of his t-shirts, so he's still in touch.

And I like Bruce. My favourite is that song about being a factory worker from the wrong side of town and falls in love with a girl, but her daddy doesn't like it, so they take off in an old car on a road trip. Oh wait. That's every song he's ever written.
 
thedaras said:
My mother just phoned me to say she heard Daly on radio a few minutes ago and the more Daly says about not paying the more she is inclined not to pay,because she thinks that as Daly is telling people to boycott the charge,and is a TD , mother is an OAP and believes that a TD wouldn't get her into trouble.,that as Daly said ,they wont bring people to court as there are too many involved..Is that incitement?
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There was a priest on the radio a couple of weeks ago advising people not to pay this charge. Can't remember the programme but it was on radio one.
He could have a greater influence over the OAP group.
 
Yes thats true,He may have a greater influence over the Catholic OAP group,my mother would be more inclined to listen to elected TDs..
 
Surely suggesting that someone (or everyone) shouldn't register or pay a given charge on the on the basis that it is unfair or whatever couldn't be a criminal offence. I can't believe that suggesting non-compliance with any rule or fee or even law is in itself a criminal offence; next step thought-police "I didn't thunk it your Honour, I swear".
 
Latrade said:
Oh wait. That's every song he's ever written.
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:rolleyes:

Back on message ..

I've no time for the TDs who form the Angry Wing of the Dáil. They seem to believe that the solution to the country's problems are to tax 'The Rich'. Apparently 'The Rich' have loads of untaxed income but are not allowed to be taxed cos they're all 8 foot lizards or some such other David Icke Jim Corr style conspiracy theory.

And the Household Charge is the wrong fight to try to lead the Irish people to the barricades.
 
michealm, I see what you mean,however these are TDs telling us to ignore the Government, On the one hand we have the government telling us it must be paid and then we have TDs telling us to ignore the law..
 
There is nothing stopping people with convictions being TDs. Look at the SF gathering.
 
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There is nothing stopping people with convictions being TDs. Look at the SF gathering.
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Good point; Clare Daly never murdered anyone, robbed any banks or ordered anyone shot in the head and buried on a beach.
 
There were a few people in Dublin City on Saturday, near the parade route, handing out leaflets about the HC.

I enjoyed saying to them "No thanks, I've already paid" :p
 
michaelm said:
Surely suggesting that someone (or everyone) shouldn't register or pay a given charge on the on the basis that it is unfair or whatever couldn't be a criminal offence. I can't believe that suggesting non-compliance with any rule or fee or even law is in itself a criminal offence; next step thought-police "I didn't thunk it your Honour, I swear".
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I agree with much of this, but I think the TD's are going too far here. I don't agree with the concept of a property tax (which will be probably be introduced next year), but if I am going to protest about it I will go to my local TD's constituency office and complain there. I won't dodge paying it, even though I will depise having to pay it.

I know some people who don't agree with paying a TV licence and they just try to dodge it. But that is the wrong way to protest. A person has a right to protest in a peaceful and legal manner. But it must be peaceful and legal. These TD's are asking people to protest by essentially breaking the law, or so it seems to me.
 
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