What is the definition of homeless?

Kerrigan

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My thesaurus says "on the streets", "living rough". Nowhere does it say homelessness is living in a heated hotel with hot running water and a daily breakfast nor does it say taking siege in state owned property while being cheered on by celebrities. Have we completely lost the run of ourselves.
 
A thesaurus does not define a word, but just gives other words that can be used in it's place. Homelessness means (according to a dictionary) not having a home or permanent place of residence.

As far as hotel rooms go, no they are certainly not homes, especially since you can be asked to move at any time. I don't know anything about the Apollo house thing.
 
I work with a guy who said his sister just moved out of their rental apartment and into a hotel. She is now homeless. She is spending most of her time in her Mother's house with her two children and partner. She said she did it to jump the housing list.
His other sister is in rental accommodation. Her landlord is her partner and the father of her kids. He lives there as well. The Sate is really just paying his mortgage.

This is a great little country.
 
A thesaurus does not define a word, but just gives other words that can be used in it's place. Homelessness means (according to a dictionary) not having a home or permanent place of residence.
I live in a rented house. I have a few months of security, certainly nothing permanent. I must be homeless as well so...?
I knew I must be "one of the most vulnerable in society"!
 
On a serious note, the US Department of Health and Services has a good explanation h[broken link removed].
A family living in a hotel cannot be considered to be properly housed. As with all social services in Ireland these safety nets are abused with impunity. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be there.
 
Save for the people who own their homes outright can any of us really say we have a permanent place of residence? I am repaying a very high SVR and classify myself as a few pay cheques away from defaulting. Are my family classified as vulnerable? There is no such thing as permanent anything in this day and age.
 
His other sister is in rental accommodation. Her landlord is her partner and the father of her kids. He lives there as well. The Sate is really just paying his mortgage.

Have you reported this to the relevant authorities?
 
Section 2 of the Housing Act, 1988 states that a person should be considered to be homeless if:

(a) there is no accommodation available which, in the opinion of the authority, he, together with any other person who normally resides with him or who might reasonably be expected to reside with him, can reasonably occupy or remain in occupation of,
or
(b) he is living a hospital, county home, night shelter or other such institution, and is so living because he has no accommodation of the kind referred to in paragraph (a), and
(c) he cannot provide accommodation from his own resources

I presume hotels fall into the "other such institution". I recall a few months back picking up a work colleague who was over from the UK from a hotel and was surprised to see parents sending their kids off to school from the door of the hotel.

Charities refer to visible homeless (rough sleepers etc) and hidden homeless (people in hotels, B&B's etc)
 
Purple re post no 3 If you check you will find out He/She and there familys are spending the rest of there time in the local constituncy office of the Dye In The Wool Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail Party Who are Advising/Helping them on how to jump the housing list. In the mean time the people who really need help are pushed further down the housing list. It would be very easy to sort out the housing list .If we got rid of the politicans who are fooling the people .Next time you cast your vote remember poilicans need to be changed often like babies nappies .This is a great little country because the people who get screwed love to support the political parties who screw them.Purple get smart or get screwed .
 
Purple re post no 3 If you check you will find out He/She and there familys are spending the rest of there time in the local constituncy office of the Dye In The Wool Fine Gael/ Fianna Fail Party Who are Advising/Helping them on how to jump the housing list. In the mean time the people who really need help are pushed further down the housing list. It would be very easy to sort out the housing list .If we got rid of the politicans who are fooling the people .Next time you cast your vote remember poilicans need to be changed often like babies nappies .This is a great little country because the people who get screwed love to support the political parties who screw them.Purple get smart or get screwed .
It's the Shinners, People before Logic and the Anti Reality Alliance and the other basket of deplorable's who are most to blame for peddling this and the left wing media who never ask the hard questions.
 
Purple The part of the country I come from we don't have any of the above. For most of my life When I went to vote the only choice I had was Fine Geal or Fianna fail Both of these parties got my first Preference vote always.I have worked all of my life from an early age thankfully without ever Missing time or ever being out of work.I always expected I would own my own house some day provided I worked and saved to buy one .There were others well off families close to both Fine Geal and Fianna Fail who always expected there children would get a house provided by both of these parties and it came to pass. In fact the would be canvasing to make sure that the people who really could not afford a house did not get one because they did not think the should have to live beside people who could not afford a house. I see it going on to this day nothing has changed and will not change .Provide the have supporters like purple who ask the hard Questions with blinkers on . I will use my vote to remove corruption from local political life this will in the long term give us better TD . Did you were Cowan as good as say the required amendment in the Dail the other day was not a mistake so what do you thing is going on.
 
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Purple The part of the country I come from we don't have any of the above. For most of my life When I went to vote the only choice I had was Fine Geal or Fianna fail Both of these parties got my first Preference vote always.I have worked all of my life from an early age thankfully without ever Missing time or ever being out of work.I always expected I would own my own house some day provided I worked and saved to buy one .There were others well off families close to both Fine Geal and Fianna Fail who always expected there children would get a house provided by both of these parties and it came to pass. In fact the would be canvasing to make sure that the people who really could not afford a house did not get one because they did not think the should have to live beside people who could not afford a house. I see it going on to this day nothing has changed and will not change .Provide the have supporters like purple who ask the hard Questions with blinkers on . I will use my vote to remove corruption from local political life this will in the long term give us better TD . Did you were Cowan as good as say the required amendment in the Dail the other day was not a mistake so what do you thing is going on.
I'm not sure what point you are making.
I won't vote for murderers, tax fraudsters, delusional communists or the populist enemies of reason and logic.
I agree that we are badly served by our TD's but that is the fault of the electorate who elect them. Replacing corruption with delusion is not a solution.
 
Purple I have a very good reason not to vote for the same people as you . I expect the next time I vote there will be lots of corrupted people who have used there contacts to buy votes to get elected I possibly will vote for them not knowing about it.I expect I will spot the Shinners/ Populist/delusion/enemies of reason and logic type.The people who will vote for they Populist/delusion/enemies of reason and logic type are the same people who milked the corrupt and still milking the politicans you with your blinkers on support and elect into office election after election .
 
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Purple I have a very good reason not to vote for the same people as you . I expect the next time I vote there will be lots of corrupted people who have used there contacts to buy votes to get elected I possibly will vote for them not knowing about it.I expect I will spot the Shinners/ Populist/delusion/enemies of reason and logic type.The people who will vote for they Populist/delusion/enemies of reason and logic type are the same people who milked the corrupt and still milking the politicans you with your blinkers on support and elect into office election after election .
The people of Ireland like having corrupt politicians in office, just as long as they are their corrupt politician. The fact that we have so many TD's who are not corrupt is a testament to the TD's, not the electorate.
I detest parish pump politics. I'd get rid of multi-seat constituencies and probably move to a list system, forcing TD's to act in the national interest. If they do act in the national interest at the moment they will lose their seat; "Ah, he's great for the local community/ he has the road built/ she had the school built" etc. Don't blame FF or FG for the grubby nature of the Irish electorate.
I don't like them but you'd rather have a communist (Paul Murphy) and former terrorists in a party which still has strong links to murderers, smugglers, extortionists and bank robbers and which wants a socialist state? Claire Daly, who said that all work is exploitation. Mick Wallace the tax cheat. You want those people? Why on earth do you think they are less corrupt? An independent TD who is only interested in their local area is the personification of a gombeen politician.
 
Purple Michael Noonan joined up with Paul Murphey to get rid of water charges did you not hear him saying Get rid of the dead cat . Have you selective hearing.I paid the water charges only to have the likes of Michael Noonan pushing his party at national level to get rid of them before next Election.The present government is possibly more communist than any government in my lifetime at national level .The people of Ireland over 67% who paid there water rates/charges were expect the likes of Michael Noonan to stand up for them and we would reward them when the next election came along . they are more interested in getting the vote of and looking after the people who expect you and I to support and pay there way.When the present lot act like a Communist Government we finish up with services they same as you will find in a Socialist State .In a communist state around 33% get looked after Then the brainwash the other 67%into supporting them some vote with there feet and leave .
 
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Purple Michael Noonan joined up with Paul Murphey to get rid of water charges did you not hear him saying Get rid of the dead cat . Have you selective hearing.I paid the water charges only to have the likes of Michael Noonan pushing his party at national level to get rid of them before next Election.The present government is possibly more communist than any government in my lifetime at national level .The people of Ireland over 67% who paid there water rates/charges were expect the likes of Michael Noonan to stand up for them and we would reward them when the next election came along . they are more interested in getting the vote of and looking after the people who expect you and I to support and pay there way.When the present lot act like a Communist Government we finish up with services they same as you will find in a Socialist State .In a communist state around 33% get looked after Then the brainwash the other 67%into supporting them some vote with there feet and leave .
So who is less socialist/communist than the present government?
 
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