PRSI and Pensions

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Should pensioners still pay PRSI?
My father has a pension from the Defence Forces but is a pensioner now, should he still be paying PRSI?
 
Have a look at this from citizens advice.

Information

In general, all income arising from pensions in Ireland is subject to taxation. This document sets out the way in which pensions and some other social welfare payments are taxed. [broken link removed] and social welfare pensions are taxable. Many pensioners do not actually have to pay tax, because their income is too low. Social welfare payments such as [broken link removed] are also taxable.
If your only income is a social welfare pension or payment, you will not have to pay any tax because your income will be below the income tax exemption limits. If you have both an occupational pension and a social welfare pension, you may have to pay tax. Occupational pensions are subject to tax under the PAYE system (the 'Pay-As-You-Earn' System) so the process is the same as that applied when you were being paid your salary.
Occupational and social welfare pensions are not subject to social insurance contributions (PRSI) but if you are aged under 66, you may have to pay PRSI on other income.
The general tax credits available to people aged 65 and over are described in our document on [broken link removed] and in the Revenue Commissioner's information leaflet ' [broken link removed] '.
Rules

Social Welfare Payments

Unemployment Benefit is generally taxable, but the first 13 euro a week is exempt and the benefit payable to short-time workers is not taxable. The child dependent allowances payable with Unemployment Benefit are also not taxable.
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[broken link removed] , [broken link removed] , Widow/Widower's Contributory Pension and [broken link removed] are all fully taxable - including the child dependent allowances.
Occupational pensions are taxed in the same way as salaries and wages. If you are getting an occupational pension from an Irish source, it is usually taxed under the PAYE system in exactly the same way as you were taxed while employed. If your pension comes from outside Ireland, you usually pay tax in a lump sum annually.
If you are living abroad and you receive your pension from Ireland, it may or may not be taxable under PAYE. If there is a Double Taxation Agreement, you may be exempted from Irish tax (but usually liable in the other country). If this is the case, the Revenue Commissioners may notify the payer of the pension (i.e., your former employer, the pension fund, etc.) that income tax is not to be deducted under PAYE. If the Revenue Commissioners do not notify the pension payer, then PAYE must be deducted in the usual way.
Exempted pensions

Income from the following sources is exempted and does not have to be included on a return of income:
  • wound and disability pensions and all gratuities granted in respect of wounds or disabilities under the Army Pensions Acts (any part of such pensions that is not attributable to disability is taxable);
  • military gratuities and demobilisation pay granted to army officers and various allowances under the Army Pensions Acts and a few other army pension-related acts
  • pensions, allowances, etc., payable to War of Independence veterans and their families
  • certain foreign pensions that would not be taxable if the recipient lived in the country that granted them.
Social Welfare pensions

There is no mechanism for taxing social welfare pensions at source. Your other source of income determines how tax is levied.
If you have a social welfare and occupational pension

The most common situation is where a pensioner (old age, retirement or widow's pension) has both an occupational pension and a social welfare pension. If the occupational pension is paid from within Ireland, it is taxed by PAYE in the same way as a wage or salary. This means that you get your tax credits in the normal way. In order to tax your social welfare pension, your standard rate cut off point is reduced by the amount of the social welfare pension, and your annual tax credits are reduced by the tax liability on your social welfare pension. You then effectively pay tax on both the pensions, but it is collected from the occupational pension. The technical term for this is "coding in" of credits. The same arrangement applies if you have income from a job and a social welfare pension.
If your social welfare pension was not coded in, you would have to pay tax as a self employed persona and in a lump sum by 31st October each year.
If your other source of income is not taxed on the PAYE system, e.g., you have an occupational pension from abroad or you have investment income, then you are classed as a self employed person and your tax is payable annually by 31st October each year.
If you have a social security pension from abroad, it is also generally taxable in Ireland. The tax is payable annually unless you have a source of income that is subject to PAYE.
Income coming from abroad

Income that comes from abroad is generally taxable in Ireland if you are resident in Ireland.
Income arising outside Ireland is almost never taxable by PAYE. Tax is always paid in a lump sum annually. Technically, it is described as subject to Schedule D. (The technical term for PAYE is Schedule E)
Certain foreign pensions that would be exempt from tax if you were resident in the country paying the pension are also exempt from tax in Ireland.
Double Taxation Agreements

The Double Taxation Agreements generally make a distinction between pensions payable by governments to former employees and pensions payable by private employers. There are some variations between the agreements and not all agreements make this distinction and they vary in other ways so you would need the check how exactly you are affected.
Most of them provide that pensions for non-governmental employees are taxed in the country of residence. So, if you are living in Ireland and getting an occupational pension from another country, you should generally receive it gross and then pay Irish tax on it.
The opposite is the case for pensions for former Government employees - generally they are taxable only in the country where they are paid. So, if you are a former employee of the US government now living in Ireland, you pay tax on your occupational pension in the USA only. In some cases, this applies to pensions from local authorities or other political sub-divisions - again, the particular agreement needs to be checked.
Pay-related Social Insurance (PRSI)

If you are over 66, you are not liable to pay PRSI contributions at all. Many pensioners become very confused about this because the "pay slip" they receive from the pension payer includes an item under PRSI. If you are over 66, this is not PRSI itself but is in fact, the Health Contribution. Read more about [broken link removed] here.
If you are under 66 and are employed or self-employed, you pay PRSI on your income from that employment or self-employment. You do not pay it on your occupational or social welfare pension.
You may have to pay the health contribution on your occupational pension (but not your social welfare pension.) The rules about liability for the health contribution are described as above in our document on [broken link removed] .
 
Just on a point of interest: is your father over 65/66? It is possible to be a pensioner at an earlier age especially in from the defence forces.
 
the original questin was prsi. The 2% health levy ( tax by any other name) might still be payable on the defence forces pension.
 
Just on a point of interest: is your father over 65/66? It is possible to be a pensioner at an earlier age especially in from the defence forces.
He is 66 but has had his defence force pension for the past 25 years, he has retired from his second job but still is paying PRSI according to his pension slip.
 
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