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mikey1

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Does anybody have any opinions in relation to property in Motenegro. I am currently thinking of investing in Budva and am flying out there next week to visit a possible apartment which is due for completion in May 06. Are there any watchouts for this region
 
You should be aware of the following
  • You have to complete a tax return to both countries. Different rules probably apply to both countries.
  • Your liability to Irish revenue. Even if your expected liability is nil you must advise revenue in ireland
  • Is there a Double Taxation Agreement with Montegro and does it cover rental tax and tax on selling the property (CGT in Ireland). If not you are liable to pay tax in both countries
 
Was there on holidays last year and have worked in the region.
There is a referendum scheduled for this year on Independence from Serbia. It is generally thought that Montenegro shall break away from its 'bigger brother' and while on the positive side this will pave the way for EU membership there is a small threat of possible destabilisation in the region for a brief period.
Budva itself is situated approx one hours drive from Dubrovnik airport in Croatia which is served by Aer Lingus between April and October. Beware if you are planning on a rental income that the locals consider July and August only as the summer months.
We were there in June 2005 and while the weather was generally good we did have snow further up the coast in Croatia. Granted this was very un-seasonal. There was a lot of construction work taking place in the beach area but this may be well completed as I was informed by a very reliable source (Irish) that a new Mayor had been appointed and had recognised the potential of this little gem on the Adriatic.
Advantages I would point out are;
Sandy beaches as against the rock of the Croatian coastline.
The Euro is the currency.
Extremely good value for money in regard to food and drink.
Surrounded by some of the most beautiful scenery in the world, and believe me I have done a lot of travelling.
Best of luck, I would love to hear how you get on.
 
mikey, keep an eye or two out for the upcoming referendum in the country. There's a large Serb minority that doesn't particularly wish to be ruled by Montenegrins, plus just down the road there is Albania that is currently in the throes of financial meltdown. It might not be the property 'boom' you wish for!
 
Mikey,

Would be really interested to know of your experience in Montenegro and whether or not you have invested. I am considering doing the same myself and plan to visit in the next month or so. Any suggestions from anyone? Will keep you posted if I go for it!!!
 
Mikey, I was working in and ended up buying in Croatia, and I was aware at the time, still am, that any investment is a risk, but Montenegro I thought was lovely but my colleague, who's a property lawyer, did the once over on properties and the situation down there and advised clients of ours not to invest just yet, I was surprised as it was dirt cheap and so pretty, but we went with his advise.
 
Hi,
I come from the region ( former Yugoslavia). Montenegro (Serbian: Crna Gora or "black mountain") used to be one of the six constituent republics. Along with Macedonia and Kosovo, it was a recipient of federal subsidies at the time due to an economic underdevelopment. Today, Montenegro is a republic in the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro. Most governmental authority of the union is in hands of each republic.

Most Montenegrins regard themselves as the Serbs, or at least they used to. However, as you can see today, the republic is divided into two factions; Montenegrins who still consider themselves as the Serbs and Montenegrins who claim to be separate nation and even went as far as to rename Serbian language Montenegrin. The referendum on independence is scheduled for 21 May and a lot of issues depend upon it. One thing is for sure; whatever the outcome, present position of Montenegro will be over.

However, since this is not political forum, I will give you some pieces of information regarding economy, tax and so on.

In Montenegro, every company has been at least partially privatized, with more than 55% of state ownership transferred into the hands of the private investors. Montenegrin Government adopted the Privatization Plan in April 2000. Four methods for privatization have been proposed: Mass voucher privatization-MVP (29%), international tenders (40%), Batch sale (4%) and Auctions (8%). Through Mass Voucher Privatization (MVP) process 15 foreign financial companies entered Montenegro. All domestic financial institutions participated in the process and several were founded in order to contribute to capital market development (Security Commission of Montenegro, Central Depositary Agency, Central Register, the second stock exchange, 4 brokerage houses, 6 Privatization Funds). Thus MVP process was considered to be successful. Almost 400.000 citizens became Montenegrin companies owners.
A foreign person may, alone or with another foreign and/or domestic person:

establish a wholly-owned enterprise
invest capital in an already existing enterprise
set up a branch of its own enterprise
found or invest in insuarance oganizations, banks, and other financial organization, and free zones
invest in the form of leasing, franchising, management contract and the purchase of real-estate
B.O.T. - build, operate and transfer
establish a representative office
be granted a concession

Economic growth stands at 4.1 %, rate of unemployment is roughly about 20 %.

The standard VAT rate is 17 %, there are reduced rates of 7% and 0%.
The VAT is charged on sale of goods and services, as well as on imports to Montenegro.
The rate of 7% is paid on basic products for human consumption (milk, bread etc), medicines, books, services of accomodation, services of public transportation...

Purchase tax in Montenegro is payable on transfer of ownership of real property, land. The tax of 2 % is imposed on buyer.

Property prices in Montenegro are about 30-40 % lower than in neighbouring Croatia. As you mentioned Budva, I will give you a rough guide. For one bed apartment (40 m2) you pay about 40-50 thousand Euro.

As I said, a lot of it depends on the outcome of referendum. The worst possible scenario would be if number of votes for independence is in region 50-55 %, which would mean a victory for "independence faction", yet they would not be able to declare independence, since the EU suggested that the threshold had to be 55%. That could trigger off a political as well as a legal stalemate, so to say uncertain future.

Thanks
 
That's brilliantly honest kasko and I dearly hope that the area doesn't descend into any type of conflict as it would trigger problems around it (I'm thinking the KLA going on the offensive in Kosovo and Macedonia going bankrupt with more refugees).

Montenegro is unfarily seen as a backward or lazy place (I'm just thinking of jokes kasko told by Croats and Serbs) but there is a huge amount of history, beauty and real quality of life. The wine from there is the best in the region (save Drnis and some Macedonian offerings) and the people are genuinely decent. I do hope that the 55% will be reached and the large Serb minority will allow a break away, as do teh EU, but the odds are not short!
 
The vote is rumoured to have gone the way of the Montenegrin nationalists, but all the celebrations are on "estimates" without the votes being counted. It's frightening to think that a majority of the country's Serb population refused to vote, if they did.....

It's not over yet, and what will happen to the lands taken from people that now host new developments?
 
almo said:
The vote is rumoured to have gone the way of the Montenegrin nationalists, but all the celebrations are on "estimates" without the votes being counted. It's frightening to think that a majority of the country's Serb population refused to vote, if they did.....

It's not over yet, and what will happen to the lands taken from people that now host new developments?

Is this true Almo?

Wasn't there a 90% turnout?

btw .. are you also Irac?
 
Got a call from a monitor this morning (I was trying to get hold of her since last night) turnout of Serb population was low in mixed areas, esp capital, and there have been incidents of polls "closing" for prolonged periods (Lovcen and Cetinje were two mentioned). When you consider that the estimate puts it at 55.4 in favour, that means almost half do not wish to leave and not all of them are Serb! I wonder is it that the Russian mafia own large chunks of the coastline any worry for the democrats?

yes, it's me, I figured the name wouldn't mean the same non-Croatian! But culchie is culchie anywhere!
 
Hi Mikey1 and fi-keve,

I'm looking at investing in property in Montenegro. I see you considered the same recently. Just wondering how you got on and if you had any advice?
thanks.
 
babylon, just a note of caution, a partner of ours has dropped his Montenegrin property section, and this is a man/men who deal in Bosnia too. There seems to be good value there, seems being the operative word. Have you been there and if so, did you visit back from the coast?
 
Hi Almo. Havn't been there yet as I'll only go if I'm pretty sure about investing. My feeling is that Montenegro is a good long-term bet but I'm concerned about the re-sale market in the short term.
 
that's a good call babylon, I know that its easy to say x y or z is a good long term bet, but how long is long? 5-10-15-20 years? in the meantime there's a world recession and ryanair cease offering flights to earth and concentrate on standing room only flights to Neptune.
 
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