But we can't do anything about global factors. We can do something about our relative efficiency (since global factors effect everyone).But more due to weakness of the Amerian economy, Global Oil prices, etc to be fair. What ever the reason,
Truecalling these people lazy is pretty crude.
Health insureance for me and my family is around 2 grand (not a big family!). you think this is affordable for some one with 3 or 4 kids on an average industrial wage where its probalbly doubled?
Tell that to the families of workers of companies in ireland who have gone bust in the last few months and who are unemployed through no fautl of their own.
The average income in this country is not far of 40k per year. 2k is only 5% of this. 2.5% if both parents are working. Considering the importance of being healthy, this percentage spend on healthcare is very low. Even if the family has an income of only 30k per annum, it is still a small percentage of total income. People spend more money on holidays, beer, expensive consumer electrical goods etc. than they do on health insurance, but which is more important?
An unemployed person in Ireland should have no problems getting a job.
Im sorry but a family on 30,000 a year who have to pay 2000 for health care and you dont think thats alot of money???
Tell that to the 200000 spungers out there.
You said it. How many of these are genuinely out of work?
6.67% is a low percentage. As I said earlier, what % do they spend on luxuries?
I looked on the VHI and for a family of 2 with level 1 day to day cover the yearly premium is 1816Euro. With an average wage of 40,000 that's 4.5% of ones income. Sorry but that's a low percentage. If you want universal publicly funded health care, what increase in your social insurance are you willing to pay? Do you know how much the French pay for their system? Google it, you might be surprised.
I support a universal health insurance system where both private and public patients are seen as a source of income as opposed to the current system where public patients are a drain on hospitals resources but private patients are a source of income.Sorry buy]If I believed that there was a unoversally public system that counld be accessed by all equaly regardless of income then i would be willing to pay my fair share that is afordable to me based on my income. And yes that will mean the richer members of societly will pay more but im willing to pay a little more if it means helping those who cannot.
Sorry buy]t 4.5% for a family with 2 kids is not a low percentage. it is a very high persentage. it 1800E which is a hell of a lot of cash. And its not an average wage im talking about it the average househould income which is a completly different figure.
High compared to what ?Sorry buy]t 4.5% for a family with 2 kids is not a low percentage. it is a very high persentage.
What is the average household income ?it 1800E which is a hell of a lot of cash. And its not an average wage im talking about it the average househould income which is a completly different figure.
OK, but what is 'a little bit more' - Less than 4.5% ? You say that 4.5% is very high, so does that mean you wouldn't pay that much. How much would a universally available healthcare system cost ?If I believed that there was a unoversally public system that counld be accessed by all equaly regardless of income then i would be willing to pay my fair share that is afordable to me based on my income. And yes that will mean the richer members of societly will pay more but im willing to pay a little more if it means helping those who cannot.
Isn't this all a bit vague, and is typical of arguing using generalities which sound good but don't stand up to scrutiny..
High compared to what ??
What is the average household income ??
OK, but what is 'a little bit more' - Less than 4.5% ? You say that 4.5% is very high, so does that mean you wouldn't pay that much. How much would a universally available healthcare system cost ?
So I will ask again. What % increase in your social insurnace/tax/whatever are you willing to pay? Do you know how much the French pay for their system?
I asked you what percentage increase you on your hypothetical 40k/year with 2 kids is willing to pay. Can't you answer that question?Actually for him it would be completly free health care for his children and a small contribution from his wages say 2% or perhaps nothing.
I support a universal health insurance system where both private and public patients are seen as a source of income as opposed to the current system where public patients are a drain on hospitals resources but private patients are a source of income.
In agree that those who can pay more should pay more. I also support a health system that is free (or close to free) at the point of consumption but that doesn’t mean that it has to be publicly provided.
Actually for him it would be completly free health care for his children and a small contribution from his wages say 2% or perhaps nothing.
So to pay for 2 people + 2 kids health insurance some other poor schumck is going to have to fork out, what ? 20% increase in his tax contribution?
So you want universal healthcare but are refusing to say who will pay for it and how much you will pay for it. Typical.No a fair and equitable amount based on their level of income.
That's hilarious. You voted no to the Lisbon Treaty in case it resulted in further privatisation of Irish health services but you actually pay for private health care for yourself.
It is refreshing to see someone whose beliefs run so deep.
So you want universal healthcare but are refusing to say who will pay for it and how much you will pay for it. Typical.
A for profit health system creates a divide between those who can pay and those who cant. that is unfair and immoral.